Thar Shaddin

With the expansion of threads in specific areas, perhaps it is time to have a Tian Xia and other areas, forums for threads.

Metarie wrote:With the expansion of threads in specific areas, perhaps it is time to have a Tian Xia and other areas, forums for threads.

I second this motion!

One for each of the major continents/empires would be useful for organisation (I think Darleone could classify as a separate forum as well, especially with the prospect of Noituratan/Darleone interactions on the horizon). Admittedly, some of those forums may feel a little lonely and empty at the outset, but that might also encourage development and RP in those areas.

There are a few threads which would already fit in an Eyropa forum, and the time is finally coming for some new Tian Xia RPs, so I think now is probably a good time to take care of this kind of thing before the number of threads expands more.

That's my tuppence, at any rate

Nov 1st meeting notes

Kat's motto: better late than never.

Setting Info

• Marn's city size is 12km squared (now in the city stats).
• The Astral realm has always been around. However, it is only relatively recently that there has been interactions with humans.

Plot Info

We sorted out dates for the vast majority of Rebellion threads. I'm keeping them catalogued here and in the post below it.

Planned guard and paragon threads remain for the most part the same.

Guards

• Guard thread on the wall once the Yiamas! thread is finished. After wall sabotage have ferric investigate farius
• Counter infiltration into Paragon once the Yiamas! and Marn Restoration Gala threads are finished.
• Figure out battlemage movements and how they are responding to Paragon.
• What investigations and raids have happened?

Paragon

• Decide when the bomb should go off. Due to the slowness of its originating thread, it's probable that the thread itself will be a flashback with the bomb explosion happening around the time the Gala is going on.
• Start planning for Shanuri's cell's assassination plots. Target for Ivone & Aurelio, and for Shanuri & Riocus. Andras and Hanyeul running backup and setting stuff up.
• Get Three approved and start present threads for the infiltration squad.

Rebellion plotting

• Figure out the Ryxa plothole in past rps with Navarre. Put in another battlemage to take her place? Perhaps kill off Ryxa?
• Stuff between Azuel and Shanuri
• Need more connections to the sewer thread.

Projects

Meesh and Frug (mostly Meesh) will work together to figure out what the Marn and Shim people eat and grow. What is their main staple foods? What if anything do they export? What if anything do they import?



And that's all the notes I had taken. I forget if I was drinking, but I think most of the time we spent bullshitting. >>

Next meeting slated for Dec 6. As always, if you want it on a different day/time, speak up!

Hmm I'll be busy that night until about 10 my time, so...yeah, I think I'll be there a bit late, which will be fine, just don't have too much fun without me!

Messha's less-drunk note taking edits are in a purple color


walking distance: ask frug -- two hour walk to shim and marn I said one hour at a decent pace sticking to the trail, Frug said one hour. Drunk Kat said two.

zhaltev playable: shifter city Tov is making edits to the Zhaltev info in the wiki and will put up some character ads.

What kori says orcs think of shifters Kori should be getting up a write-up for orc city very soon, if he hasn't done so already. He had said Sunday was his initial time frame.

jason: other people having input into what types of animals are in the south of khazyani Jason could use input into what everyone would like to see going on in the south of khazyani.

apprenticeships: FULL SPEED AHEAD. Apprenticeships are normal for trade skills.

apprenticeships vary between masters -- at one point do they beomce qualified

- some might be licensed, with paperwork or fees associated/ tests/ procedures

-- some just do what they 've been doing for years and train up students who just learn from the master without necessarily getting the license, and use their master's reputation to earn their clientele.

- depends on what they're going for. Some things might have a very templated structure while others aren't so typical and might not be so regulated.



- would there be university courses to help with licensing?

- use modern day ideas of unions/guilds to deal with the licensing issue? That way when the guild says someone is ready to get the license the individual will get it (the guild takes a cut). Question: don't know how many craftsmen would be in marn.


Have a list of trades ideas -- things that haven't been done in marn, or to show who is active I will be putting up a list with various ideas of trades/professions as well as keeping an active list of which characters belong to each profession so people can see where we might have an abundance (blacksmiths) or a complete absence (shoemakers, chandlers,etc.)

government sanctioned test for tradesmen. So for less popular trades they would add a higher tariff for not being in a guild, give a general look around and approve. 5% extra tax?

Corey Graham
6:10 PM
Cause you can have people who aren't in a guild that get treated crappy by the people in a guild, corrupt guild officials, the guild tax liason government official that hates his job
setting page

Frug : players needed, plots for certain characters

ree: more applicable to put in wiki vs places on the forum f0r tradeskills/guilds as to what is available; link that into new player guide

frug: poit it towardsp laces where people have requests for new characters. Frug wants people to know what people want out of new characters. SEcondary to characters needed thread should be the list of tradeskills wanted



Big tapestry in the central hallway for marn. Very old. Been described as artistic kind of recreation of what they believe is history. There's a big battle with fort marn in the background . Fighting going on, people dying. Thought to be part of the city and it being made after the fort existed and expanded. Different areas controlling it. Symbolic elements: fort in the background (local history). No descendant names. Some monsterish symbols / dragons around the outside. There's a border around the image and along the bottom. Symbols, not writing. ask frug about specific details about tapestry

People believe it to be an artisially glorified retelling of history. People in armor are supposed to represent guard or who they were before the guard defending the area. Might be various personal interpretations of symbols -- regarding history of the city or magic laws. There have been no npcs or pcs named who have studied the tapestry. Tapestry is mostly ignored. No real interest in regards to historians.

Sky said she might try her hand at sketching the tapestry for use in the wiki. Which is awesome!


Slang for good parts of city vs bad: We are going to let slang develop organically through play but here are some ideas that were thrown around.

Historic district: old city


Player thoughts: secrets make it hard to develop in marn. Do we want to leave it to admin to develop or make it more open? Players feel frustrated by secretive limitations.

likes the idea of secrets so long as admin are willing to do world dev around them so player sdo't feel shut out. Wants a concrete answer. Expect admins to take care of admin to put descriptions in so that secrets can remain secrets without players needing develop

likes the idea of secrets so long as the stuff surrounding it is plotted out well enough to understand what is going on

kaledin manner is an example of a cool secret- - cool thing up on the hill nobody knows about but everyone knows something is going on. Certain parts could be better developed -- sewers

one nice things about secrets is that it keeps new players from automatically knowing everything about the setting; element of mystery is cool

hysical apsects of the setting are a little lacking

corey: need a list of what is possible to world dev about, what the limitations are

jason: good thing about thar is that we still have most of the world to develop and flesh out without secrets. So whatever happens still have those parts of the world.

Taylor (sky): things with mysteries is that it does make it difficult for new players to get involved with. Sometimes that's good, you don't want weird vampire characters, but makes it harder to join in some areas (such as shim) because it feels so vague

james: want more details, like with shim -- you want more details so you have a firmer grasp of what you're working with

We are going to make and Ask Frug topic where anyone can submit any questions to ask him and he will try his hardest to respond to them in a timely manner.

Corey: soft- hands for people who are rich

James: slang is based on actual names of the district. General distinctions. Comes down to few areas having had rp.

JasonL terms related to religion

Colors: City divided into quadrants

Shim needs development - need boundaries for where development needs to stop. Have a framework available so people knpow where to stop developing, to make itmore user friendly

Though it wasn't mentioned by Frug in this meeting, he is working on a new map of shim. There will be more farmland and the town should be better defined.


Need more transparent rules and guidelines as to what can actually be done in Marn. Whch areas you need to talk to admin about development vs which are free and open

Corey Graham
6:56 PM
I don't want it to get popular or something and then get shished cause more people make characters for that area instead of marn or something

corey wants something where he can say okay this area is free and ope nto any development that anyone wants to write about and can write about as they want to vs parts you need to work closely with admins on. So they know what

Having a thread for frug to answer directly

Frug:

dwarven armor/weapons blessings are regarded metaphysically as similar to gnome stuff. People generally regard it as being non-magical -- it's a gods' blessing vs actual magic. A puradynic priest might get philosophical about it. Magic is seen as something as a corrupting influence. If something is seen as purely magical it is bad but if it is coming form an external source it isn't as bad, such as a god (dwarven armor/weapon blessings, smithing)

frug's problem with tunnels: he never imagined it being a second city under the city. there are sewers and if people feel they need to do more expansive stuff for other projects they can do it, but aqueducts etc, not stuff big enough to b a city. Tunnels you can walk in are fine; tunnels you don't know about but secret sort of tunnels under the city . Mineshafts are good becuase there's a reason for it but it's not necessarily stuff peopel know about. It makes sense for there to be a mineshaft/quarry. As long as there's a reason and epxlantion that's cool

whatever is needed to give marn running water

Ree likes simplicitgy in regards to university

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thjeological studies
agricultural
business
general undergrad study for most people (trivim( after that is more specialized

jason - is there something beyond sciences etc, anything related to trades; stuff related to community colleges

education system socilized systems -- trivium system

using scholarships/paronages

-- tradeskills as guilds vs more monied things

-- trades in the univeristy -- some teachers kind of self absorbed and believe their classes more improtant than anyhitn lese, tradeskills viewed as not as importnant


-- scholarships/patronage to the university

-- trade school alongside the university We taked about the trade school being an off-shoot of the university.

people who get certified don't like people who don't get certified, unions vs non unionized
- jason, people from rich families might go through a uni vs most people through guilds

- colors: uni was more for rich hoity toity vs guilds for the common man


- guildsman master should be equivalent to a master's degree. 8-10 years for masters in university and guildman
- until you can pass that test you're stuck at that level

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player plot ideas

- zhaltev

shifter capital, shifters live there/ leadership determined by strength. No walls. Trade caravans sometimes come through, but shifters usei t as a place to be themselves. Packs form, they're sort of bizarre, more predatory than prey animals. Interest in playing in this sort of place. Coming up with ads for later, putting into needed players

animal/people hybrids possible and variable upon individual desires

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some trade skills are better done through guild over university. There are recerts done fpor people who got through uni or trade over the other.

Drunken nonsense.

and Jason totally spoke French, with an accent. If you missed it, you showed up late to the meeting and that's your own damn fault.

"So that just happened." - Tov

someone who was awesome updated with the next meeting, but I undid the hard work by changing it up -- idea being to try to have a meeting time that is semi-sane for our wonderful europeans!

So please check it and if a bunch of people can't make it we can move times around cuz we're awesome like that.

Oh if that timing could work that'd be awesome =D

And because life sometimes sucks.... Last minute information that we're having a work "Christmas" dinner on the evening of the 4th.. on a bloody Saturday.. So I'm going to be late to the meeting, maybe even very late (which I hope not).

I won't be to make it In-law obligations, Not sure what time I am leaving but most likely around 9am until 8pm pst

Player Projects:

Noituritan
Classifieds

They're fish zombies (some of them evil), who want to spread their philosophy of undeath to the surface world. They want to spread the word about their god. They're creepy and want everyone to be undead. They're not going to force it, but instead will be knocking on doors and handing out pamphlets.

Xochitli: (18:38:35) Navarre: But Yancuican's still able to take the entire sea with him wherever he goes. >=D
(18:39:02) Navarre: "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have any seaside apartments!" "YOU DO NOW."
(18:39:12) Niabi: haha
(18:40:20) Xochitli: "About that whole undeath thing you were advertising... would it be too late to accept, now that you've drowned most of the city?"
(18:40:28) Xochitli: ...talk about a hard sales pitch
(18:40:57) Xochitli: "Become undead"
"No."
"You're all dead. Want to change your mind?"
"Okay"

So again, very much like Mormons
(18:41:11) Niabi: haha
(18:41:13) Navarre: XD
(18:41:14) Xochitli: Except it's not angelic missionaries coming to pester you in purgatory
(18:41:45) Navarre: We need suit-clad fish zombies knocking on doors in Marn at six in the morning. >=D
(18:42:12) Xochitli: At some point, I think Xochitli might just try that
(18:42:45) Xochitli: "We should get down to bare coral, talk with the citizens face to face."
(18:43:09) Xochitli: "Knock knock"
*Scream*
*Crossbow bolt*
"How rude."

• Nav is brainstorming a meet and greet thread to establish people, within the city. To set up embassies, create a dialog.
• Nav is trying to leave various Noitu characterizations open to other players.
• On one front is the creepy-cute noitu knocking on doors. On the other end will be legit lovecraftian stuff going on with the leaders. He's still brainstorming with that, what sort of creepy stuff might be going on in smaller towns.

Tian Xia

Nányuè

James is starting to set this area up with his correspondence character -- command structure and way of life. There's an imperial outpost and a fuckload of monstrous horrible jungle with monsters and crocodiles.

Steppes

James was going to let Corey talk about this, but Corey hates me and didn't want to talk about it.

Baruk

Corey doesn't think we're cool enough to talk to about it.

Guardsmen/Paragon

Loyalists: finding paragon's hidey holes
investigating the wall (farius as a suspect)
Have Ferric assigned to investigating the wall

Use the trio as NPCs for the time being, have the loyalists sorta following after them trying to catch them in the act and meanwhile paragon seperates themselves from them.

Selling out thread between Farius and Sebastian, happens after the wall.
Thread between Sebastian and Sisara shortly after Yiamas thread.

Darrik/Toast/Katona - next thread to highlight Katona, to kick off investigation. Have the rat shifter guy involved with the sewer people, directing them or whatnot.

Last thread ended with a section of the wall that had been sealed up with illusion. As a result they found a stockpile of decomposing bodies shored up behind the illusion. They were attacked by orcrats, and because of that the battlemages have been alerted. Also have flotsam shifters/ragpicker people who hunt for shit down there to trade and barter with. Lead by Gladrags.

Sewer people / ragpickers intersect through rp? Ragpickers not interested in helping the guards anymore.

slaver carts in the sewers as a way to lead back to the community/staging ground.

Ferric/Darrik thread after the next sewers thread. Link up the sewer investigations to the wall investigations.

Find 'ins' for Three to start backstabbing Paragon -- maybe use Farius's defection to Paragon as a way for Three to use Odelina and Sisara to backstab Paragon.

Other Stuff

• Shifter lifespans: Zina feels that the 200 year lifespan cap on shifters is stupid and an unreasonable age limit for shifters.
• Change shifter ages to have a more variable average, case-by case more than a general rule. 100 years as a general average for most types of shifters, but varies widely between different kinds.
• Start making the date in the first post link to the plot discussion.
• A new wiki page for other alchemical concoctions -- poisons and other stuff -- things with negative results. Things people can make or have made. Link to each at the bottom of each page.

March Member Meeting - March 7, 2014

Topics
Street names in Marn
The Gala - splitting off the threads
The Bombings
Eyropean Technology v. Magic Uses

Eyropean Technology v. Marn Technology
PUMA Plumbers Union of Magic Accredited; EMU Electrical Mages Union

Technomancy

Marnian Technology: still technomacy, mostly gnomish, and also human engineering on-going to reduce dependence on magic
renewable resource (magic) vs. non-renewable resources would be a topic of contention/discussion; probably University engineering courses on this

Eyropa can have comparable technological advances in the larger cities; more rural are less magic-tech centric; no movements to find ways to emulate the magi-tech through non-magical means


Marn street names:

Some are named after Descendants; main thoroughfare is Main Street. Cross streets named for what main on item on the street.
Market street because that is where the market is
Power Plant Road
Water Tower Street
Factory Road
Frug will add these to the map using his discretion


The Gala -
We will not split it off - people can post their particular conversations; no post order - keep together to keep awareness of what's going on in the Gala room.

Bombings need to occur within the next couple of posts.

Need Paragon upper class in attendance?

The Bombings
Memorial, Civic Court, http://www.tharshaddin.com/rp/viewtopic ... 9&start=15

Slavery
How does it work in Eyropa? Illegal in most areas except in New Eyropa
What body of people are being drawn on to get people? Bringing people over from across the great scar; human trafficking
targets are nomadic tribes, poor people maybe some baby shifters?
Foreigners visiting Marn get snatched up and sold into slavery

Blah. I'm going to ask that we wait another month or so before the bombings occur. I'm asking this as the person who has been struggling to keep things going and waiting for things to pick up since 2010, because I had wanted the Gala to play out first, with a focus on interrelationships and to get a feel for the machinations of things before the violence started to occur. Initially, I'd picked the Gala as the main starting point because there would be so many characters in it who had political motives, and after some of those motives felt more established then I thought it would be a good time to introduce the violence.

Things have changed a lot since the idea was first put down after the thread with Saruna, Kori, Fay and Derin, and I can't tell you guys how happy it makes me to have it grow as much as it has. But, I'm going to be a little bit selfish this once and ask that it wait a bit longer (also why I'd encouraged the splits, as I felt it would make the conversations easier to track and help those who are slower to post stay focused more on their parts rather than having to try to track their partners posts in between a deluge of other conversations and actions).

Also sorry I didn't make it to give my input while it was happening. When I realized I wasn't going to be able to go yesterday morning I was very frustrated, but stuff happens.